This new blog is a great idea, Claudia!

I think we all had a great time at Jennifer's. She throws a great party! I really enjoyed the book discussion, as I usuallly do. I thoroughly enjoyed the book (I'm one of the 50% who did!), though I must admit, by the end of the book I didn't give a fig WHO the murderer was!!! I did think it was a rather weak ending. Why would Olive be the murderer, other than for most of the book the arrow was pointing to Butterfly, and when that fell through about 3/4 of the way through, and you were supposed to think it was Stork, you knew it must be Olive, just because you were supposed to think it was Stork. I got to hoping at one point it was Hasan! Now that would have been more interesting! At least he killed Olive in the end, and there was the twist that he did it because Olive carried the daggar that belonged to Shevket's father, that Black had taken from him, and Olive had used to stab Black. The book could get very tedious at times, but by sticking with it, it was worth the read, I think.

New post - but please note that the original posts, I think 2 of them explain a little about the blog, are below, so please scroll down now or later and have a look at them to get oriented. Can't stop progress, though, so I'm adding a new post today, after our meeting/party of December 15th.



Party Debriefing - We had a wonderful party, bringing in the holidays last Monday! Jennifer's home is beautiful and gave us a lovely background for visiting, eating, and discussing My Name is Red! The recipes people brought were delicious! If you want any of the recipes, you might try posting an inquiry here on the blog and see what happens! Sometimes I think I'll bring a card listing info about what I bring to a party; but more often than not, by the time I prepare the dish and get myself and my stuff ready, it's just too late. That's the main reason I don't send out a message before the party asking everyone to list the ingredients/recipe for what they bring. If I did that, though, I'd list mine, too, and probably it wouldn't be all that difficult...maybe next year.



My Name is Red discussion - This book was a little different for our group...a little hard to read, probably because of the foreign setting and voice, possibly because of the historical detail, maybe because this author is a Nobel Literature prize winner rather than someone hoping for a film script from his works (NOT to belittle other wonderful things we have read), and maybe even because of the translation (?). IMHO, this was a book that was better for discussion than for reading. By that, I mean that I wouldn't have read it had I not read it for book club; and I heard others voice that same sentiment. Putting together the experience of reading the book and discussing it last Monday, it was a positive experience for me. Without the promise of the discussion and the discussion itself, I probably would have been neutral to negative about spending the time I did on the book. Several members were more enthusiastic about liking the book a lot. Others didn't like it. I think the majority of us finished it. We had a p0ll as to how many "liked" the book, and it came out to about 50% of us. I think that sometimes "liking" a book is less important than gaining something from it; and I think our group helps a lot of us to enjoy the opportunity of broadening our horizons when we read something a little outside our normal taste and discuss it with the group. We don't poll as to how many "finished" the book. Some perhaps some might enjoy the discussion without having finished the book and may not feel like advertising that - which is your prerogative. We don't want to make anyone relive that old feeling of going to class the day after the dog chewed up your homework.



My experience was that I had to struggle with the beginning of the book, as I had previously mentioned via email. I did get into some plot aspects and enjoy reading much of the middle and end of the book, with that anticipatory feeling of wondering what would happen. BUT, there continued to be a lot of tedious reading for me throughout this book. The tangents about miniaturists and their art seemed repetitive and overly detailed. Yet it took me a while to "get" the relationship between Islam and the idea that both drawing something realistically and demonstrating a personal style were considered an affront to Allah, as if trying to emulate Him or outdo Him; and also it took me some time to realize the importance of these concepts as the backbone of the story. Although I usually take license to read what I want from a book and gloss over parts that are of little interest, I felt obliged to read this book carefully. I will say that even though I tried, I failed at focusing closely on the differences in the personalities of Stork, Butterfly, and Olive. I was much more interested in just about all the other characters, so I had inadvertently glossed over the 3 miniaturists more than I should have; and because of this, I missed some of the best of the experience of reading this book...as I found out during our discussion.



A good point that came out at the discussion and that had been missed by many of us was that the Dog, the Coin, and the Tree were all actually the Storyteller. Another point was that the author's use of all the different perspectives enabled the author to show that different versions of the truth emerge based on the different viewpoints. Another idea that we discussed was that the religious taboos are backward and had (have) held back the Muslim cultures, destroying any originality and progress that might have arisen...but at the same time, the people became jealous of Western advances. This was demonstrated by the destruction of the modern, seemingly fantastic clock that the Queen sent - you can read into that the people's jealousy and anger feeding into that destruction. And then there's what is going on now in our world...was this perhaps a hidden theme in this book? We also discussed our feelings for some of the characters. Shekure brought the most comments and the three miniaturists the fewest.

Special thanks to new member, Dennis, who brought several printouts of illustrations of the kind the book was all about. A picture is worth a thousand words - it was interesting to see that these different illustrations had very similar styles for the horses and yet that there were differences in interpretations of the story depicted(there were 2 illustrations of the same story, one of the ones from the book), and also some stylistic individualities seemed to be unable to be hidden. I had visited the Chicago Museum of Art in November and had looked for some of these illuminated manuscript pictures and found none. I think since a lot of these were in books and a lot of books were destroyed, they are relatively rare.

Thanks also to Pat Cronk, who brought cute homemade ornaments for everyone. Mine is on our tree!

And of course, thank you to Jennifer for hostessing our party, even though she isn't yet fully recovered from surgery. Continued wishes for progress, Jennifer!

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Posted by Claudia

I have made some progress with My Name is Red! When I was feeling confused, I took some notes, as if I were reading for school...or to figure out what is going on in the book. It helped a lot! I did figure out that a lot of men are named "Effendi." I suppose if we googled some of these Islamic or Turkish terms, we'd find out more...I suspect "Effendi" means "Mr." If anyone wants to find some of the terms that keep appearing and making the story foreign-seeming, please do and post them here.

There are a lot of flashbacks in the chapters, but it always comes back to the present. I think it becomes evident fairly early who has been murdered, and the voices in the various chapters refer to this person, which is a way of tying everyone together.

We CAN read this and enjoy it! There are foreign terms and foreign customs, but there is a story...or perhaps more than one story....